Stockhausen on 'sounds', 1972

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Excerpt from Karlheinz Stockausen's May 1972 lecture to the Oxford Union on 'Four Criteria of Electronic Music'. It proved to be astonshingly priescent. If you like this, get the whole lecture from Stockhausen-Verlang.
http://www.stockhausen.org/video_kassetten_engl.pdf

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Stockhausen is only ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

Stockhausen is only one very small piece in the jigsaw. Pieces such as the Helicopter SQ are the result of an environment created by the late 20th century art revolution which postulated that anything could be art. It also allowed Cage to present endless nonsense, and even Ligeti got on the bandwagon. This environment has led to a present day situation in which even dying or suffering animals are being presented as visual art. Stockhausen's comments on 9/11, likening murder to art didn't help.

You try every means ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

You try every means in your crusade against modern art and music.
But with deliberate misunderstanding and misinterpreting KS' words without any knowledge of his intentions with his music (and even connect his works to suffering animals) you don't contribute to the discussion to what is valuable art and what is not.
Why can't you simply admit that you are not able to go any deeper in the works and thoughts of KS and your view on KS and art is therefore as superficial as can be?

You would like ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

You would like everyone to believe that KS's words on 9/11 were misunderstood, but unfortunately his explicit words were all too clear when he likened a horrific and hideous act to a great work art work. If you can't see why this is unacceptable you simply don't understand the centuries old concept of art or the spirit which lies behind the tradition. The late 20th century art revolution created an environment in which anything could be considered as art. KS is not the only one to blame.

Well, I'm not the ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

Well, I'm not the first one that points out to your failed interpretation of KS' words and certainly won't be the last person. Some people are better informed than you. People that know the music of KS certainly are better informed.
You one of those people that are to blame to suggest that anything can be considered as art. KS never stated such a thing, nor any of the other composers you despise.
You have failed to give one example in the works of KS that supports your view that everything=art

Once again a ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

Once again a typical response by annedegro illustrating exactly the tactic employed by Stockhausen in the 'KS on human evolution' video. Instead of addressing the issues raised he chooses instead to dismiss them entirely, concentrating on discrediting the questioner as under-evolved. Smear tactics and insults are a particularly underevolved form of debate. Perhaps that's why KS tries so hard to paint himself as a superevolved being, attempting to distract us from the reality.

Well, no one will ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

Well, no one will believe this accusation. When people no a little bit more about contemporary art or KS than you do, doesn't make them superevolved beings. It only makes them beings that are a bit more informed than you are. Stop being sentimental and focus on the discussion: that is KS and music.
You have failed to give one example that suggests that KS says that anything can be art. That is not an insult, that is a fact.
So let's get back to KS and music.

Evil can't be ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

Evil can't be compared to art in any context unless the fundamental definition of art has changed. Traditionally art contains at its heart a seed of benevolence, a nurturing generous impulse intended for the benefit of future generations. The Devil cannot be an artist because the devil is not generous, nurturing or benevolent. After the art revolution of the late 20th century, a new movement emerged which considered it legitimate to call almost anything art, but
the original pedigree endures.

Already in the ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

Already in the middle ages was the devil compared with an artist. KS comparison is based on his religious (christian) believes. The fact that you fail to see that is the main cause that you haven't got a clue what KS' music and words stand for!
But KS is a composer and musical explorer, not a priest not a philosopher. We need to discuss his music. That is what makes him with Stravinsky to the most important and influential composer of the 20th century

You clearly havn't ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

You clearly havn't got a clue what you are talking about. Never before in the history of this tradition has real life evil been compared to great art. Stockhausen was a pioneer in this respect. Such a travesty of the concept of art would have been utterly unthinkable before the 20th century art revolution, after which a school of thought evolved which proposed that anything could be legitimate art.

As you should know ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

As you should know by now, KS compared 9/11 with the art of a character (Luzifer) from his LICHT-cycle. You confuse reality with art. KS didn't evolve, develope or propagate an aesthetics about evil and art. Actually he stands for the opposite, which he demonstrates in his quote about his Luzifer and 9/11.
So please leave this nonsense about 9/11 and KS for your own video. What you accuse KS of, is not what he stands for. It is your own fascination for violence and art, not Stockhausens.

Though it wasn't ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

Though it wasn't Stockhausen's intention to create an aesthetic linking evil to art, his words are remembered because they were so wholly unacceptable in the context of the spirit of this tradition. As Evaristti, Abdessemed and Vargas Habacuc have recently demonstrated there is a growing lobby of artists which sees nothing wrong with presenting real life suffering as art. This represents a grotesque caricature of a noble tradition, and KS's grossly unwise words did nothing to halt that trend.

Stockhausen is a ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

Stockhausen is a composer. His music will be remembered. That what makes him important: his music. Not this quote which you force to keep alive with your video.
You fail to understand his quote, you fail to discuss his music and you connect things that don't have anything to do with KS art, aesthetics, ethics and music.
KS has nothing to do with your fascination for violence and art. There is more art than the violent art that you find important.

Once again you fail ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

Once again you fail to understand both the traditional concept of art, and the significance of the fact that KS considered his words to be appropriate just one week after 9/11. Evil can't be likened to art in any sense unless the fundamental definition of art has changed. Traditionally art contains at its heart a nurturing generous impulse intended for the benefit of future generations. The Devil can't be an artist because the devil is not generous, nurturing or benevolent.

What is benevolent, ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

What is benevolent, nurturing and generous about Die Kunst der Fuge?
Your tradition ends when you don't know how to appreciate the new music from the 20th century. This music has all its roots however in the tradition. KS as well, just as much as Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Schönberg and Stravinsky.

Your inner musical ... ( 1 month ago by richtomes)

Your inner musical illiteracy also extends to Bach I see. Bach's music in particular contains endless examples of benevolent, nurturing and generous themes, apparent in so many of his liturgical settings. He prefaced nearly all of his scores with the words 'to the greater glory of God' It's likely that Bach in particular would have been appalled by the suggestion that a real life act of evil might be compared to a work of art.

As you should know ... ( 1 month ago by annedegro)

As you should know also KS composed all his works to the greater glory of God.
But what makes the music of Bach benevolent? Only the fact that he dedicates them to God? KS does the same!
So according to your definition KS' music is as traditional as the music of Bach

I'm looking to ... ( 1 month ago by backseatdriverpa)

I'm looking to check out Stockhausen. Particularly his electronic works. Any suggestions?

Really like to get ... ( 1 month ago by AlphacoreX)

Really like to get the whole lecture of this

You can- check the ... ( 1 month ago by golfthewlis)

You can- check the link in the info panel

his opening line ... ( 1 month ago by michmj77)

his opening line sounds like the doctrine of ethos

Thanks for sharing ... ( 3 weeks ago by siverocots)

Thanks for sharing this with us. Good advertisement for the Stockhausen dvds.

genius ( 2 weeks ago by macka109)

genius

thanks for posting ... ( 2 weeks ago by AliaK77)

thanks for posting this!

What I derive from ... ( 4 days ago by ob2kanob)

What I derive from KS and people like Bjork is that anything is possible in music (and life?) And this should suggest to musicians that derivative melodies and chord structures and thererfore songs don't have to resemble each other to be interesting and ultimately enjoyable.

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